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Pull the trigger or call it quits

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<Begin self pity rant>

I'm at a point in my sorta T-bucket project where I don't know which way to turn.

Building a car of my own design has been a bucket list project before I was old enough to know what a bucket list is. I grew up watching my uncle build a car of his design, and ever since I wanted to do the same. The idea of attempting something like this got set aside for 30+- years, while I was doing the corporate workaholic routine.

4-5 years ago I started having mobility issues of unknown origin. By the time they diagnosed the problem (a bone spur pinching my spinal cord) I was paralysed from the waist up. The neurosurgeons said that there was a one time only operation they could do that might help. If it helped there was no telling if, when, or how aggressively the problem would return. 6 months, the surgery and a lot of PT & OT later I was back to where i was before the whole ordeal started.

2+ years ago I stumbled across an engine and transmission from a running daily driver for less than their scrap value. I bought them without a clue what I was going to do with them...and they were probably near the bottom of the list of what I would have picked for any project. A GM 60°V6 and a 700R4. While they were being unloaded, my best friend (a mechanic) asked what I planned to do with them. I told him that what ever it would be, it had to be light because of the low power of the little V6. Almost in harmony we both said T-bucket. It took a couple of days of persuasion from my friend, and encouragement from my wife, before I decided to tackle the project.

Back when I was trying to explain to my wife what I was wanting to build, I said that I wanted to keep it simple...very simple...that it would be closer to a 4 wheel motorcycle than to her dream car, a Chrysler 200 convertible. My wife's brother was an avid motorcyclist. His health as declined to the point he can no longer ride...but he can drive. About a year ago, it struck me that possibly my 4 wheel motorcycle idea would be a vehicle that could get him back in the wind. My wife has really taken to the idea, and fueled her anxiousness to get to a driveable vehicle.

Over the last 2 years I've been acquiring parts and developing probably 5 generations of CAD plans. I have the majority of the major parts except the following:
  • Frame
    Radiator
    Front spindles & brakes
    Rear air suspension bags & schrader valves
    Rear wheels
    Front & rear Tires
    Ancillary gauges
    Shifter
    Bench seat
Now the bad news. Over the last month and a half I've started to notice some of the early symptoms of the spinal cord pinch. It could be days, or it could be years, before the problem gets serious. Also, some of my other ongoing issues have me using a wheelchair...which we had planned on but is happening sooner than hoped. Finally, my friend that helped convince me that I could do this, and I counted on for knowledgeable help, is moving out of state. This will mean hiring out some work, and increased cost and time. Before the issues set in, my plan was to hire out having the frame built this summer...probably the largest single expenditure of this project. With the advent of the issues, I've been dragging my feet and making excuses.

This project has become my obsession. Most of my days are spent fiddling with my CAD plans or tracking down bits and pieces that I can afford. My heart says I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this. My excessively frugal nature says to cut my losses and give it up. My wife says I better not give up, with all the time and parts I've accumulated...she wants to come home one day and see the car in the driveway. If I give it up, I'll be at a loss for what to do with my time.

I really don't know which way to go.

<End self pity rant>
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Sounds to me like you already have your answer. "This project has become my obsession. Most of my days are spent fiddling with my CAD plans or tracking down bits and pieces that I can afford. My heart says I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this."

As a former State Trooper who was severely injured on the job, I know that life is fleeting and can be gone in an instant. Unless this project means making you or your family homeless or some other catastrophic hardship you MUST allow yourself to live as you wish. I have sadly been to many funerals for friends and have yet to see a trailer hitch on a hearst - you can't take it with you. Frugal is fine and this hot rod does not need to be a gold plated Rolls, this is a relatively inexpensive hot rod. BUILD IT!

Do the work you know you can do and that you like to do, farm the rest out. Do a good job and you can recoup a good chunk of your money should you decide later you do not want it or it was a mistake. Build it with adding accessibility aids in mind now, if things do get worse, you can adapt the hot rod to still be fun. It is not that hard on something so basic and easy to access.

Make a list of the major milestones, put it on a calendar and get this thing moving. A GM V-6 is no slouch if that is what you want to use. A 700R4 is a GREAT trans that will make this a fun easy to use hot rod - WAY COOL!

the parts you list as missing are very minor and easy to come by. you do not need top of the line race parts to begin with, most of what you are looking for can be found any day on Craigslist or other online sources CHEAP! Poor health SUCKS, but it is not the end until it is the end. You can sit around wishing you had pulled this off or you can do it and enjoy it.

Not sure what part of the country you are in, but it is getting to be the perfect season for building a hot rod here on the East Coast. No better time than now.

Rob
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Rob, right up front I want to thank you for your service as a Trooper. We have quite a few law enforcement folks in our extended family, and I have come to know the commitment to a hard and risky job that kind of career entails. I'd not have been up to it.

Yes this project has been a bit of a strain on a tight budget, but that was a given going in. It has to be a good deal, agreed to by the Secretary of the Treasury (wife), for any major expenditure. I would say that 90% of what I've got in this so far has been at substantially less than retail...used, Speedway garage sale, other folks project leftovers, etc. The bling has been kept to a minimum, the speed parts limited to an intake manifold, distributor, and header flanges...at about 1/3 retail. Unfortunately, what started out as an idea for a cheap rear axle/suspension/brakes setup has gotten out of control :oops: LOL.

From day one, accessibility features for the car, and for build process, have been part of the planning. I've tried to layout everything so that there is little to nothing to be worked on from under the car...and as much as possible accessible from a wheelchair. I've gotten a stretched and widened body, with plans to cut out an XXXL driver side door. For the interior, a D-shape removable steering wheel, and a shifter coming out of the dash, instead of up through the floor. I'm also considering dash and/or behind the seat grab bars. The issue that has me stumped now is steering wheel and pedal placement to allow for simple hand controls for brakes and accelerator. That out of control rear suspension....in part air bagged to eventually allow the automation of lowering and raising the car to make ingress/egress easier. I've even gotten a not too ugly hitch, to allow using my wheelchair carrier or pulling my powerchair trailer. For working on the frame, I'm considering a couple of repurposed HF engine stands to make a rotisserie.

We're in Northern Kentucky, about 15 miles south of Cincinnati. We're heading into building down time for me. The majority of work on this car will be done outside...no garage, and no place to put one. Right now I only have an overcrowded shed to work in. There is another at least partially dedicated to a workshop area shed in the works, but probably not until next year.
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reading your post i'm not sure which way to (so called) lead you. I agree with rob and to keep going. as of now u really can't predict the future. u may not be 100%, but u are at a point u can get things done. I feel everyone of us that have built a bucket at some point was ready to throw in the towel.
after 2 months of building mine, i walked away for 3 wks, say'n it's tooooooo much.. i looked at my parts all over the garage and figured i had around $10k sitting on the floor and would never get that back... a total of 10 months in the garage and i got it done.. best 10 months in the garage i ever had, for it was the first fire of the engine that almost brought tears to me..
so i'll say look down the road for that light at the end and jump in and DO IT... u WILL get it done it just takes time and effort..
small steps lead to long distance.
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My thing is projects like this help keep folks alive. Something to do everyday, one way or another, and keep at it till it's done!

My older brother is now 70, and many decades ago when he was a senior with only 2 weeks left in college he and his fiance were hit by a drunk driver. I was 13 at the time, and spent a lot of time in hospitals with my parents. The docs didn't know if he would even live for the 1st two weeks. Without going into all the gory details, he's had maybe 30 surgeries over the years, and more to come because of this accident. He's not a wheelchair guy, but uses a scooter and has a couple golf carts to get around his property. He gets more accomplished than guys half his age. He is always looking ahead and will tackle about anything. He's been an inspiration to me all my life. If he can do the stuff he does, so can you Rob. I wish you could meet him!

Just my 2 cents.

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frank_a wrote:My thing is projects like this help keep folks alive. Something to do everyday, one way or another, and keep at it till it's done!

My older brother is now 70, and many decades ago when he was a senior with only 2 weeks left in college he and his fiance were hit by a drunk driver. I was 13 at the time, and spent a lot of time in hospitals with my parents. The docs didn't know if he would even live for the 1st two weeks. Without going into all the gory details, he's had maybe 30 surgeries over the years, and more to come because of this accident. He's not a wheelchair guy, but uses a scooter and has a couple golf carts to get around his property. He gets more accomplished than guys half his age. He is always looking ahead and will tackle about anything. He's been an inspiration to me all my life. If he can do the stuff he does, so can you Rob. I wish you could meet him!

Just my 2 cents.

Frank

I do have to admit that this project has given me something to do...a purpose.

To be honest, before this project came about all I had to do was watch TV and nap. I was to the point that most days were pointless. I really do not want to go back to that...but I also don't want to continue investing in what is likely to end up being a fool's folly :?

I'm mostly a powerchair guy. I wish it were practical for me to use a golf cart. I could get into customizing one...LOL Our property is mostly on a 30° or steeper slope...we're on the edge of a ravine. That's the reason there is no place for a garage
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well let me ask this... do u think u can get your investment back by selling it all or at least get close to it ????
then look around for a bucket that done or very close to it with little work to finish.. most of the time u can save a ton by buy'n someone else's project..
ebay has a ton of buckets to choose from and just might be better to buy and drive.. thinking out loud..
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Zandoz wrote:My heart says I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this.
I think you have your answer right there. :)!
T-buckets make people smile.
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Bill Holley wrote:well let me ask this... do u think u can get your investment back by selling it all or at least get close to it ????
then look around for a bucket that done or very close to it with little work to finish.. most of the time u can save a ton by buy'n someone else's project..
ebay has a ton of buckets to choose from and just might be better to buy and drive.. thinking out loud..
Getting the money back would be a gamble. It would all have to be put on ebay, and see what happens. Some of the stuff I feel I may be able to recoup. Some that turned out not to be as good as advertised when I got them, I'd likely fall short. Unfortunately the single biggest purchase so far, the body, would likely end up a near total loss. But I knew going in that even if finished I'd probably not be able to recoup. To me what ever would be lost is the cost of doing something I enjoy.

If I did abandon the project, there is very little likelihood of another bucket that would physically work for me. The original purpose of this project was not to build a T-bucket...it was to build a car of my own design. At the time, the structure of a T-bucket made it the best fit for my limitations. My near 50 year desire to put my spin on Tweedy Pie (I kit-bashed several model attempts in my younger days) sealed the deal. Another factor is that the cost of a project would be spread out over time...the lump sum outlay for a finished or near finished car would be impossible.

If I did abandon the project the biggest loss would be in having that something to do that I enjoy.
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well then i sure KC and i are on the same page... u already have your answer... do it.. we are here to help as well as we can from long distance.
just don't forget there are NO dumb questions.. just dumb answers.. mostly come from me...
tomorrow is sunday. lets get started.. good luck and have fun.. u WILL have a smile on your face no one can slap off when u finish..
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